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		<title>By: Associated Content&#8211;Residual Thousandths of Cents &#124; All Freelance Writing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Associated Content&#8211;Residual Thousandths of Cents &#124; All Freelance Writing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] spoken out about residual earnings and how they affect the time value of money before, as has Jenn. Essentially, earning residual income from other outlets (rather than your own blogs, e-books and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Mattern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Mattern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for stopping by Vincent. There is no &quot;where.&quot; There&#039;s no place to start a career that I can direct you to. It varies quite a lot from one writer to the next. What doesn&#039;t vary as much is the general process -- choose a specialty, build a platform, and build a network with the right target market in mind. 

If you don&#039;t already have a professional site, I would suggest that as a possible starting place (especially if you plan to write for the Web or do any kind of business writing / commercial writing). If you want to learn more about writer platforms, I have a separate blog devoted to that - http://QueryFreeFreelancer.com where you can find a list of 30 things you can do to start building your writer platform (I believe it&#039;s in the &quot;build a platform&quot; category -- one of the original posts).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stopping by Vincent. There is no &#8220;where.&#8221; There&#8217;s no place to start a career that I can direct you to. It varies quite a lot from one writer to the next. What doesn&#8217;t vary as much is the general process &#8212; choose a specialty, build a platform, and build a network with the right target market in mind. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t already have a professional site, I would suggest that as a possible starting place (especially if you plan to write for the Web or do any kind of business writing / commercial writing). If you want to learn more about writer platforms, I have a separate blog devoted to that &#8211; <a href="http://QueryFreeFreelancer.com" rel="nofollow">http://QueryFreeFreelancer.com</a> where you can find a list of 30 things you can do to start building your writer platform (I believe it&#8217;s in the &#8220;build a platform&#8221; category &#8212; one of the original posts).</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jennifer,I am glad I found your blog.
I will try and read up each post of yours.

You have very well explained that article sites are not a good place even for beginners and they stall one&#039;s progress.
Please tell me where and how to start then ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jennifer,I am glad I found your blog.<br />
I will try and read up each post of yours.</p>
<p>You have very well explained that article sites are not a good place even for beginners and they stall one&#8217;s progress.<br />
Please tell me where and how to start then ?</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Mattern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Mattern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I&#039;m happy it&#039;s worked out for you I do want to note something and ask a few questions for the benefit of those who hear these stories and feel tempted to simply jump into these kinds of sites:

1. It&#039;s important to note that $1000 per article via a content mill is the exception and very far from the rule. 

2. There&#039;s still a big difference between having that $100-1000 up front or on publication than in small amounts over several months or even years (as noted in the article, then you&#039;re able to save or invest it rather than seeing the small trickle of income). 

3. You mention that you have 42 articles that have made $100 or more. Just for curiosity&#039;s sake, how long does it take for most to reach that level and how many articles have you written in total, including the ones that didn&#039;t earn to that level?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m happy it&#8217;s worked out for you I do want to note something and ask a few questions for the benefit of those who hear these stories and feel tempted to simply jump into these kinds of sites:</p>
<p>1. It&#8217;s important to note that $1000 per article via a content mill is the exception and very far from the rule. </p>
<p>2. There&#8217;s still a big difference between having that $100-1000 up front or on publication than in small amounts over several months or even years (as noted in the article, then you&#8217;re able to save or invest it rather than seeing the small trickle of income). </p>
<p>3. You mention that you have 42 articles that have made $100 or more. Just for curiosity&#8217;s sake, how long does it take for most to reach that level and how many articles have you written in total, including the ones that didn&#8217;t earn to that level?</p>
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		<title>By: Maria (WriterGig)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria (WriterGig)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While writing my own niche sites, ebooks and print books is my current focus, one residual income site has stood head and shoulders above the rest and provided an excellent platform for me to contribute content and earn very well -- eHow. Three of my eHow articles have earned over $1,000 each to date. They took me 30 minutes to an hour to write. The site has such excellent page rank that I have not needed to promote the articles. 

Forty-two articles so far have made more than $100 apiece. Keep in mind that total time invested in these 300-500 word content articles ranged from 15 minutes to 1.5 hours. The hourly rate so far is excellent, and it improves as they earn more money month after month. 

Residual income is my business model; using a content site as one piece of that pie works very, very well for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While writing my own niche sites, ebooks and print books is my current focus, one residual income site has stood head and shoulders above the rest and provided an excellent platform for me to contribute content and earn very well &#8212; eHow. Three of my eHow articles have earned over $1,000 each to date. They took me 30 minutes to an hour to write. The site has such excellent page rank that I have not needed to promote the articles. </p>
<p>Forty-two articles so far have made more than $100 apiece. Keep in mind that total time invested in these 300-500 word content articles ranged from 15 minutes to 1.5 hours. The hourly rate so far is excellent, and it improves as they earn more money month after month. </p>
<p>Residual income is my business model; using a content site as one piece of that pie works very, very well for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Mattern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Mattern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go for it Angela. You don&#039;t need my permission to link to my posts. And I&#039;m glad you enjoyed it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go for it Angela. You don&#8217;t need my permission to link to my posts. And I&#8217;m glad you enjoyed it. <img src='http://allfreelancewriting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Angela West</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jennifer:

Great article, and if you don&#039;t mind I&#039;m going to post a link on my site as well on Monday. You absolutely nailed revenue sharing to the wall and I couldn&#039;t agree more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jennifer:</p>
<p>Great article, and if you don&#8217;t mind I&#8217;m going to post a link on my site as well on Monday. You absolutely nailed revenue sharing to the wall and I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the plug, Devon, and the alert to this excellent post! Jennifer, you&#039;re my new best friend. :)) Everything you said is true - from the lousy pay scales to the people who accept them. Look, writers who want to build a credible reputation cannot take these jobs. Everything you do as a writer reflects on your values, your level of expertise, and your capabilities. If I were hiring and saw thirty clips from a content mill against another writer&#039;s 4 clips from established publications, guess who I&#039;d hire? The writer who puts extra effort into the career is the writer who&#039;s going to do the same for my project.

It&#039;s like working for free. You&#039;re working for free if you allow people to exploit you for ad revenue or view rates. As I&#039;ve said over and over (I preach this particular topic a lot), if you can&#039;t make minimum wage at your writing, rethink. McDonald&#039;s pays more and that looks MUCH better on a resume than giving away your work to virtual thieves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the plug, Devon, and the alert to this excellent post! Jennifer, you&#8217;re my new best friend. <img src='http://allfreelancewriting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) Everything you said is true &#8211; from the lousy pay scales to the people who accept them. Look, writers who want to build a credible reputation cannot take these jobs. Everything you do as a writer reflects on your values, your level of expertise, and your capabilities. If I were hiring and saw thirty clips from a content mill against another writer&#8217;s 4 clips from established publications, guess who I&#8217;d hire? The writer who puts extra effort into the career is the writer who&#8217;s going to do the same for my project.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like working for free. You&#8217;re working for free if you allow people to exploit you for ad revenue or view rates. As I&#8217;ve said over and over (I preach this particular topic a lot), if you can&#8217;t make minimum wage at your writing, rethink. McDonald&#8217;s pays more and that looks MUCH better on a resume than giving away your work to virtual thieves.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Mattern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Mattern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Anne. Glad to see you stopping by. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Anne. Glad to see you stopping by. <img src='http://allfreelancewriting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Mattern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Mattern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughts Carol. While I don&#039;t proclaim to be one of the highest earners in the freelance writing game, I often average in the $100-400 per hour range -- not sure I&#039;d call that &quot;peanuts.&quot; ;)  And keep in mind I was giving examples on the low end of my spectrum, and an example of what I earned starting out -- not what makes up the bulk of my work (which is significantly higher than the $70 per quick article that one of my oldest clients gets).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughts Carol. While I don&#8217;t proclaim to be one of the highest earners in the freelance writing game, I often average in the $100-400 per hour range &#8212; not sure I&#8217;d call that &#8220;peanuts.&#8221; <img src='http://allfreelancewriting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   And keep in mind I was giving examples on the low end of my spectrum, and an example of what I earned starting out &#8212; not what makes up the bulk of my work (which is significantly higher than the $70 per quick article that one of my oldest clients gets).</p>
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		<title>By: Devon Ellington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devon Ellington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent, excellent article, and emphasizes why Lori Widmer (Words on the Page, http://loriwidmer.blogspot.com) started Writers&#039; Worth Day.

I pay the bills with my pen, and I am damned good at what I do.  I am not going to be paid $1 for a whole article to get &quot;exposure&quot; and maybe-someday get residuals.  I want to know what I&#039;m paid and get it per contract, in a reasonable amount of time.

Clients get what they pay for.  If they pay crap, they get crap.  yeah, plenty of writers for those sites jump all over me whenever I say it, but it&#039;s true.  Let&#039;s face it, if the writers were good enough to earn a living wage somewhere else, that&#039;s what they&#039;d be doing.  Not writing 20 articles/week for $1/article.

I have clients who admit to me that if they see a content site on a resume, they immediately delete the pitch, because they&#039;ve been burned too badly by the low quality of those writers in the past.

I&#039;ve lost clients to lower bidders who specialize in mill content sites and almost every single one of them has come back, apologizing and horrified at the poor quality of writing that was turned in -- and they come back to me at a higher rate than they left.

However, I also get ROYALTIES on my work, which is a whole different ball of wax from RESIDUALS on one of those mill content sites.  I&#039;ve got some good contracts for royalties on the fiction and plays, at fair rates, and they prove that my work holds up over time.

And let me tell you, that last royalty check that covered the emergency visit to the vet the other night came just at the right time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent, excellent article, and emphasizes why Lori Widmer (Words on the Page, <a href="http://loriwidmer.blogspot.com)" rel="nofollow">http://loriwidmer.blogspot.com)</a> started Writers&#8217; Worth Day.</p>
<p>I pay the bills with my pen, and I am damned good at what I do.  I am not going to be paid $1 for a whole article to get &#8220;exposure&#8221; and maybe-someday get residuals.  I want to know what I&#8217;m paid and get it per contract, in a reasonable amount of time.</p>
<p>Clients get what they pay for.  If they pay crap, they get crap.  yeah, plenty of writers for those sites jump all over me whenever I say it, but it&#8217;s true.  Let&#8217;s face it, if the writers were good enough to earn a living wage somewhere else, that&#8217;s what they&#8217;d be doing.  Not writing 20 articles/week for $1/article.</p>
<p>I have clients who admit to me that if they see a content site on a resume, they immediately delete the pitch, because they&#8217;ve been burned too badly by the low quality of those writers in the past.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lost clients to lower bidders who specialize in mill content sites and almost every single one of them has come back, apologizing and horrified at the poor quality of writing that was turned in &#8212; and they come back to me at a higher rate than they left.</p>
<p>However, I also get ROYALTIES on my work, which is a whole different ball of wax from RESIDUALS on one of those mill content sites.  I&#8217;ve got some good contracts for royalties on the fiction and plays, at fair rates, and they prove that my work holds up over time.</p>
<p>And let me tell you, that last royalty check that covered the emergency visit to the vet the other night came just at the right time!</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Tice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Tice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great reality check on the content sites, Jennifer, from one who&#039;s clearly been there. I was with you all the way until you said the rates you charge now that you&#039;re off those sites. Still peanuts! Of course you&#039;re constantly busy...often a sign that you&#039;re undercharging. 

I make a high five-figure living from writing and teach others how to find good-paying clients and markets and get steady assignments...hope I can help you and some of your commenters! I answer questions about breaking into good-paying freelance work at my Start Freelance Writing blog on my site.

Get paid what you&#039;re worth, all!

Carol Tice
http://www.caroltice.com
http://Twitter.com/TiceWrites</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great reality check on the content sites, Jennifer, from one who&#8217;s clearly been there. I was with you all the way until you said the rates you charge now that you&#8217;re off those sites. Still peanuts! Of course you&#8217;re constantly busy&#8230;often a sign that you&#8217;re undercharging. </p>
<p>I make a high five-figure living from writing and teach others how to find good-paying clients and markets and get steady assignments&#8230;hope I can help you and some of your commenters! I answer questions about breaking into good-paying freelance work at my Start Freelance Writing blog on my site.</p>
<p>Get paid what you&#8217;re worth, all!</p>
<p>Carol Tice<br />
<a href="http://www.caroltice.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.caroltice.com</a><br />
<a href="http://Twitter.com/TiceWrites" rel="nofollow">http://Twitter.com/TiceWrites</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anne Wayman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Wayman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenn, excellent... good job... so good in fact I blogged you ;)
http://www.aboutfreelancewriting.com/2009/10/a-truth-about-residual-income-sites/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenn, excellent&#8230; good job&#8230; so good in fact I blogged you <img src='http://allfreelancewriting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<a href="http://www.aboutfreelancewriting.com/2009/10/a-truth-about-residual-income-sites/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aboutfreelancewriting.com/2009/10/a-truth-about-residual-income-sites/</a></p>
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		<title>By: A Truth About Residual Income and Pay Per Click Sites</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Truth About Residual Income and Pay Per Click Sites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The artilce is called Freelance Writers: A Real Look at Residual Income. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Words on a page &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A few links for the end of the week - A blog about writing, in its various forms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Words on a page &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A few links for the end of the week - A blog about writing, in its various forms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 11:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of taking the plunge into creating residual income? Read this post before you [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Laurie Tam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie Tam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 04:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah. The site from 106 articles to 73 is at ehow.com
I haven&#039;t even reach the payout limit yet. There are a few writng residual income sites that claim to pay their writers 100% from the adsense on their articles. I wonder if those are worth it to write at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah. The site from 106 articles to 73 is at ehow.com<br />
I haven&#8217;t even reach the payout limit yet. There are a few writng residual income sites that claim to pay their writers 100% from the adsense on their articles. I wonder if those are worth it to write at.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie Tam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie Tam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 04:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there.

I am on some residual income sites and I must admit that I am not happy with the income that I get. At least with one site, I was getting between $30-$50 a month and so far since they deleted some of the articles I have, it&#039;s down to 73 from 106. 

I knew about writing for myself in order to earn residual income. One guy in fact complain about Associated Content on workathomenoscams.com Long story short, the guy deleted his account already before blasting it to everyone on that site about the editors are just there to get your contents for them to make money. i would like to outearn what I am getting right now because this is just rediculous and I have been a writer over a year now. I need something change where I would get paid of what I&#039;m worth.</description>
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<p>I am on some residual income sites and I must admit that I am not happy with the income that I get. At least with one site, I was getting between $30-$50 a month and so far since they deleted some of the articles I have, it&#8217;s down to 73 from 106. </p>
<p>I knew about writing for myself in order to earn residual income. One guy in fact complain about Associated Content on workathomenoscams.com Long story short, the guy deleted his account already before blasting it to everyone on that site about the editors are just there to get your contents for them to make money. i would like to outearn what I am getting right now because this is just rediculous and I have been a writer over a year now. I need something change where I would get paid of what I&#8217;m worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Rynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If anything, as a professional I find it quite offensive that everyone and their brother calls themselves a &#039;writer&#039; just because they threw some (often crappy) content up on some site that didn’t think it was worth paying for it up front.&quot;

Very well put, Jennifer.

For me a &quot;writer&quot; is someone who has the skill, talent and experience to command payment for their work. Anyone who does not is an &quot;aspiring writer&quot; or a hobbyist. Similar to what Jennifer mentioned, I would never take a few piano lessons and call myself a &quot;musician&quot; or label myself a &quot;lawyer&quot; because I take an interest in law and have read a bunch of legal books in my spare time. 

Like many professions, a writing career takes years to grow, with a lot of learning and sacrifice along the way. I have a journalism degree (not that this is necessarily a prerequisite) took on several tough internships and even now, am still developing as a writer and expanding my career. It is a long road that takes persistence and dedication and can bruise your ego at times. My above comment was not meant to &quot;tear anyone down,&quot; on the contrary, it was to support fellow writers who have worked really hard to get where they are in an indeed cutthroat industry. 

And yes, I believe content sites are not a good business model for &quot;real&quot; (as in professional) freelance writers. And I also believe that those who have only ever published on such sites have no business calling themselves &quot;writers.&quot;

I am actually surprised that anyone would be insulted by this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If anything, as a professional I find it quite offensive that everyone and their brother calls themselves a &#8216;writer&#8217; just because they threw some (often crappy) content up on some site that didn’t think it was worth paying for it up front.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very well put, Jennifer.</p>
<p>For me a &#8220;writer&#8221; is someone who has the skill, talent and experience to command payment for their work. Anyone who does not is an &#8220;aspiring writer&#8221; or a hobbyist. Similar to what Jennifer mentioned, I would never take a few piano lessons and call myself a &#8220;musician&#8221; or label myself a &#8220;lawyer&#8221; because I take an interest in law and have read a bunch of legal books in my spare time. </p>
<p>Like many professions, a writing career takes years to grow, with a lot of learning and sacrifice along the way. I have a journalism degree (not that this is necessarily a prerequisite) took on several tough internships and even now, am still developing as a writer and expanding my career. It is a long road that takes persistence and dedication and can bruise your ego at times. My above comment was not meant to &#8220;tear anyone down,&#8221; on the contrary, it was to support fellow writers who have worked really hard to get where they are in an indeed cutthroat industry. </p>
<p>And yes, I believe content sites are not a good business model for &#8220;real&#8221; (as in professional) freelance writers. And I also believe that those who have only ever published on such sites have no business calling themselves &#8220;writers.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am actually surprised that anyone would be insulted by this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Mattern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Mattern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M - thanks for your thoughts. It sounds like the problem in your case was that you might have been targeting the wrong market (happens a lot). If those working at bottom dollar rates are in any way affecting your ability to attract clients at higher rates, you&#039;re focusing on the wrong competition. They&#039;re not your competition, and have no effect on what higher paying clients are paying (they&#039;re the clients who know that price has nothing to do with &quot;value&quot; and it&#039;s not a top consideration in choosing their writers - if anything, some go with higher priced writers by default because those who charge too little give off the impression that they&#039;re not experienced enough for the job). 

I have regulars who occasionally want quick turnaround, and I try to accommodate. But if my schedule won&#039;t allow for it, I simply let them know. It&#039;s rarely a problem, and they know my schedule&#039;s usually full. It&#039;s important to be clear about your availability up front. It&#039;s no one&#039;s business if your availability is set by your family obligations or something else -- just when they can expect you to be available, and what kind of turnaround you&#039;re capable of. I find that those issues have been extremely rare since I started posting turnaround estimates on my website for particular projects. 

So if you&#039;re meeting resistance, change who you&#039;re targeting. We have a post up at http://QueryFreeFreelancer.com as a part of our 30 day marketing bootcamp going on now that covers how to do it (look at days 1 - 3 specifically).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M &#8211; thanks for your thoughts. It sounds like the problem in your case was that you might have been targeting the wrong market (happens a lot). If those working at bottom dollar rates are in any way affecting your ability to attract clients at higher rates, you&#8217;re focusing on the wrong competition. They&#8217;re not your competition, and have no effect on what higher paying clients are paying (they&#8217;re the clients who know that price has nothing to do with &#8220;value&#8221; and it&#8217;s not a top consideration in choosing their writers &#8211; if anything, some go with higher priced writers by default because those who charge too little give off the impression that they&#8217;re not experienced enough for the job). </p>
<p>I have regulars who occasionally want quick turnaround, and I try to accommodate. But if my schedule won&#8217;t allow for it, I simply let them know. It&#8217;s rarely a problem, and they know my schedule&#8217;s usually full. It&#8217;s important to be clear about your availability up front. It&#8217;s no one&#8217;s business if your availability is set by your family obligations or something else &#8212; just when they can expect you to be available, and what kind of turnaround you&#8217;re capable of. I find that those issues have been extremely rare since I started posting turnaround estimates on my website for particular projects. </p>
<p>So if you&#8217;re meeting resistance, change who you&#8217;re targeting. We have a post up at <a href="http://QueryFreeFreelancer.com" rel="nofollow">http://QueryFreeFreelancer.com</a> as a part of our 30 day marketing bootcamp going on now that covers how to do it (look at days 1 &#8211; 3 specifically).</p>
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		<title>By: Niche Momma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niche Momma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good dose of reality, however, I did want to comment on why I do ad revenue writing.

I&#039;ve done freelance and have asked for decent rates and met resistance. I find that all the people willing to take bottom dollar outnumber me and make it impossible for me to command top dollar.

And the deadlines are impossible. I had to beg for 2 days on a 500 word piece that required finding and reading over 100 pages of obscure research to write. With a small child at home, I cannot meet these short deadlines and provide top notch content. Kudos to those who can, but it&#039;s beyond my capabilities. Frankly, the clients I&#039;ve dealt with are crazy. I gently fired them and they still harass me, trying to get me to write content for them on the cheap.

So I focus on ad revenue. I know I&#039;m not going to get rich, but I&#039;d be happy with a few hundred dollars a month. I can write when I have time. I can pick any topic that interests me. Plus, I&#039;m getting better at the SEO game and my earnings reflect that. 

Ad revenue has flaws and pitfalls, but there is money to be made. It can be a good fit in some cases.

M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good dose of reality, however, I did want to comment on why I do ad revenue writing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done freelance and have asked for decent rates and met resistance. I find that all the people willing to take bottom dollar outnumber me and make it impossible for me to command top dollar.</p>
<p>And the deadlines are impossible. I had to beg for 2 days on a 500 word piece that required finding and reading over 100 pages of obscure research to write. With a small child at home, I cannot meet these short deadlines and provide top notch content. Kudos to those who can, but it&#8217;s beyond my capabilities. Frankly, the clients I&#8217;ve dealt with are crazy. I gently fired them and they still harass me, trying to get me to write content for them on the cheap.</p>
<p>So I focus on ad revenue. I know I&#8217;m not going to get rich, but I&#8217;d be happy with a few hundred dollars a month. I can write when I have time. I can pick any topic that interests me. Plus, I&#8217;m getting better at the SEO game and my earnings reflect that. </p>
<p>Ad revenue has flaws and pitfalls, but there is money to be made. It can be a good fit in some cases.</p>
<p>M</p>
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